Anyone have experience with Castle Law Group, PC out of Tennessee

georgel320 wrote:

If ANYBODY reads the Lawsuits brought against CLG, BY the TIMESHARE OWNERS...... it isn't about the clients NOT receiving services from UPFRONT FEES!!!

Why would the TimeShare Resorts worry about the clients of the CLG???

This is Very Misleading.... DonP says HE is JUST trying to HELP....... but All I see are unsupported Lies.... and accusations which HE has no proof to support what he's saying.

I have talked to former clients of Castle Law Group(CLG) and they told me , it did take a long time to get the results. There's also some people who've had their money(up-front fees) as DON describes.... refunded.

Why believe some self-proclaimed "Guru" that He's the one to believe..... THe Owner I deal with will NOT accept any Quit claim, or a request to take back the week that I own. Haven't heard this guy explain what to do in this instance..... try getting rid of something that the owner refuses to accept.

Hopefully this guy will go Debate the USA economy, instead of timeshares.......... HE doesn't own one anymore, why does HE criticize someone who HE hasn't used personally, unless maybe HE used to work for them, Perhaps?????

Makes me wonder....... There's also a Lawsuit filed by the CLG, but of course that isn't mentioned here, by Mr Don P..... not sure , but HE sounds like a lawyer , himself.

I could be wrong...........

Continuing to disagree, the more I read, the more I don't follow the motivation behind these accusations!

Respectfully , George L. T.

George L. T.:

DonP can certainly speak for himself; it is not my role (or intent) to "defend" him, but I'm nonetheless reasonably sure that his position (which I share, by the way) is quite simply that it is unwise and a complete waste of money to pay upfront fees to ANY entity (law firm or otherwise) that promises "escape / rescue / exit / relief " from a timeshare obligation. This viewpoint, by the way, is completely unrelated and irrelevant to the nature and content of the lawsuits filed in Federal Court in Florida against Castle Law Group by Westgate, et al.

DonP is definitely NOT an attorney and I'm quite certain that he has no affiliation of any sort, past or present, with Castle Law Group. I certainly do not agree at all with SOME of his conclusions or viewpoints or recommendations, but I nonetheless believe that his intentions are good, with no hidden agenda --- and that he has consumer interests at heart. There is certainly nothing wrong with ANY of that.

You can rest assured that Westgate could not care less about Castle clients (donors?). Their concern is the headaches and response time consumption that CLG creates for THEM --- no more, no less. You may or not be aware that Westgate has an established track record of seeming to have a fondness for litigation. Westgate appealed a recent courtroom loss all the way to the TN Supreme Court within in the past year or so (where they STILL lost).

If someone with FIRST HAND experience and success EVER appeared in these forums to claim and describe exactly when, how and why they had "success" with Castle Law Group, the narrative here might be considerably different. However, among 83,000 registered members on Timeshare Users Group, no such first hand claim has EVER appeared --- NEVER. Likewise with these RedWeek discussion forums --- silence, crickets, nada. Accordingly, it's reasonable to be "dubious" about CLG ever actually producing any results.

In any case, these are discussion forums, where reasonable people can agree to disagree. The topic of people trying to unload unwanted timeshare obligations always elicits emotional responses. Many people are justifiably angry about having been hoodwinked and having grossly overpaid for a developer-direct timeshare purchase. Sometimes that anger gets displaced, then heightened by unwisely paying upfront fees to (supposedly) "exit". Anger and consternation and finger pointing inevitably arise from the fact that it is a situation impossible to "reverse" once a contract rescission period expires. Rescission rights are provided by state law, but range only from 3-10 days, depending on the individual state. It's a difficult and sensitive topic. Speaking only for myself, not for a single moment do I believe that "Castle Law Group" has EVER actually produced any results, but it is your personal right and prerogative to believe otherwise, despite the complete absence of any actual evidence or documentation or claims of success from ANYONE --- EVER!

Have YOU 2 shared the dinner checks also???

What a joke... you ask an opinion of a guy who blasts the company.... why don't YOU just give him your cell # then those of US who don't care to listen to your garbage, wont have to be subjected to more erroneous, biased, opinions by someone who Obviously has a vendetta against these People.

Get a life, fight for yourself, instead of Claiming to be helping/fighting for others, You're only making a fool of yourself, as far as I'm concerned. You just aren't very believable.

PS: How many ID's do you have in this forum also??

Just curious?

I have never supported any company that has claimed they can get you out of your contract. To the contrary I have always advised people to avoid them . I encourage people to be their own advocates and contact their home resorts and negotiate their own exit . Stop paying others for something they can do themselves.

George sounds like a shill for GLC . Someone who posts false stories to encourage victims to send the scammers their hard earned money.

I have always advocated that if you feel you need an attorney to assist you that you find one where you live. An attorney that you can actually walk into their office and speak to them. I have had positive feed back from some people who have used a local attorney and gotten out of their contracts for a lot less than the scam companies charge and then do nothing at all .

These forums have saved many people thousands of dollars by avoiding scams . Listen to others like Ken. Lance and Irene who are not out to line their pockets but to offer sound advice . Don't be the next victim to end up on the " sucker list " .

georgel320 wrote:

Have YOU 2 shared the dinner checks also???

What a joke... you ask an opinion of a guy who blasts the company.... why don't YOU just give him your cell # then those of US who don't care to listen to your garbage, wont have to be subjected to more erroneous, biased, opinions by someone who Obviously has a vendetta against these People.

Get a life, fight for yourself, instead of Claiming to be helping/fighting for others, You're only making a fool of yourself, as far as I'm concerned. You just aren't very believable.

PS: How many ID's do you have in this forum also??

Just curious?

I don't know (or care, frankly) to whom your insult / inquiry might be directed, but if it's me I''ll gladly disclose that I've been a paying subscriber / member of RedWeek (and a discussion forums participant) for about 10 years now, with only a single user i.d. from day one (I'm not sure that an option even exists on RW to use "multiple i.d.'s", but I certainly would never want or bother to do that, even if it was an option). Why on earth would I?

I have often said here that people are always free to believe whomever they choose and whoever they find to be credible in these forums. People can choose to believe drive-by posters, semi-coherent angry people --- even shills. Best of luck with "Castle Law Group". :-)

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Really! Dishonesty and fraud is why I hired an attorney. Liars are not to be trusted that mistake will not be repeated at least not with the timeshare company.

Why is everyone still talking about this Castle Law Group? There is a complete review about this firm at www.castlefirm.com - the Castle Law Firm in Nashville, Tennessee. Looks like its gone out of business or about to go out of business, and its one lawyer Judson Phillips is being disbarred. So move on people. It someone is calling you saying they are Castle Law Group and asking for money, you cannot seriously be considering working with them... do your homework!

kentb68 wrote:

Dishonesty and fraud is why I hired an attorney. Liars are not to be trusted that mistake will not be repeated at least not with the timeshare company.

What are you hoping this attorney is going to do for you?

And, as much as I hate to say this, lying will probably keep going on in the timeshare industry. The best advice I can give in this regard is to first of all, avoid these sales presentations. If you absolutely must attend one, then don't buy what they are selling until you read all that's in the written contract.

And if you did break down and buy what they were selling, then read the contract again at home while you are still within your rescission period.

As a client of Castle Law Group, I believe Castle's attorneys should be reported to the Tennessee Bar. Castle pressured us into paying high upfront legal retainers ($5,000) by promising that we would recieve a full refund if they are unsuccessful.  Our agreement said we would be entitled to a full refund after 12 months.  

Thats when all the probelms start!  First, they dont tell you the Castle engagement contract has expired, you have to figure it out yourself.  Ofcourse, Castle never communicates ANYTHING to its clients.  But if you happen to remember and request the refund of the fess you paid (as they promised in writting), thats when the run around, lies and excuses begin.  

Castle's attorneys argue all sorts of reasons why we do not qualify for a refund.  First, we didnt do what we were supposed to (can you imagine, the attorney's actually blame the clients) and therefore they are entitled to terminate us as clients WITHOUT A REFUND! Even though they never communicated anything of the sort for over a year!

Then when you ask in disbeleif how that could possibly be true, another Castle Lawyer person says that they beleive they are on the verge of getting our timeshare cancelled and we should just continue to wait.

Months go by with NO further communication from Castle.  When you finalluy get someone on the phone, someone then has the audacity to say that the firm had actually "fulfilled their services" under the agreement.  Fullfilled?  For $5,000 we got a letter to the timeshare company saying they represent us, then NOTHING, literally, for 15 or more months.

When we finally threatened to file a bar complaint, they become more willing to give a refund.  But my real purpose of my complaint is what happened a few days ago.  CASTLE LAW DIDNT CARE ABOUT US THEIR CLIENT, THEY JUST INTERROGATED US ABOUT "WHO" TOLD US WE COULD GET A REFUND!!!!!!! 

THATS MY POINT - CASTLE LAW IS COUNTING ON ITS CLIENTS FORGETTING THAT YOU CAN GET A REFUND.  AND THEY GET ANGRY AT ANYONE WHO DARES TO REMIND US!!!!!

IS THIS NOT A GROSS CONFLICT OF INTEREST!  INSTEAD OF INFORMAING US WE HAD THE RIGHT TO A REFUND UNDER THE LAW FIRMS ENGAGEMENT AGREEMENT, THEY TRY TO STOP US FROM KNOWING - THAT DOESNT SOUND LIKE THEY ARE WORKING TO HELP ME - BUT TO HURT ME!!!

JUDSON PHILLIPS SIGNED OUR CONTRACT AND AM TOLD HE OWNS CASTLE LAW GROUP.  MARK MY WORD, I WILL NOT REST TILL HE IS DISBARRED OR WORSE!!!!!

susanj476 wrote:

As a client of Castle Law Group, I believe Castle's attorneys should be reported to the Tennessee Bar.

While I certainly agree with you, "should be" is just a wish ---- actually DOING IT constitutes real and meaningful ACTION. Since you have "standing" as reportedly being one of the far too many scammed Castle "clients" plainly eligible to file a detailed and formal complaint, I hope that you have already done so or will do so TODAY.

I trust that you will also separately file (or hopefully have ALREADY filed) a formal complaint with the Tennessee Attorney General's office, providing pertinent details alleging willful fraud by Castle Law Group. Somewhere in this very thread you will find a post which includes ALL of the necessary details and mechanisms and contact info by which to do so. I placed that post in this thread myself, quite some time ago. No scammed Castle "client" should just sit and wring their hands in disappointment and frustration --- TAKE ACTION!

FELLOW CLIENTS OF CASTLE LAW GROUP (NASHVILLE, TN)

I THINK WE HAVE ALL COME TO REALIZE THAT WE WERE SCAMMED BY CASTLE LAW. WE ALL PAID THEM A LOT OF MONEY IN WHAT WE NOW KNOW WAS A FRAUD!

I have discussed the situation with my family attorney regarding how to somehow get my money back from Castle Law and its owner Judson Phillips. He pointed out that my agreement with Castle Law has a money back guaranty. In other words, if your Engagement Agreement is like mine, they have to give you your money back if they didn't get your timeshare cancelled within 12 months.

Per his advice, I am in the process of doing the following and offer everyone the same advice:

1) Demand an immediate refund in writing. Its important to create a written record, phone calls are not enough.

this usually doesn't work right away, so he advised putting pressure on them by the following:

2) Write the Tennessee Bar and tell them what happened. You actually have to write or complete an online complaint form with the Tennessee Board of Professional Responsibility. The online complaint form is at http://www.tbpr.org/for-the-public/file-complaint. The form is somewhat long and confusing but answer everything you can and send it. Mr. Judson Phillips is the lawyer there. You will have greater success if you upload a copy of your Engagement Agreement with Castle Law.

3) File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau against Castle Law Group.

4) Follow up often and loudly. The most diligent will usually get their refund requests honored first.

The important thing I learned is that its not just about asking for a refund because they did nothing. They are bound by the agreement to refund our money! So don't take no for an answer.

richardj524 wrote:

3) File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau against Castle Law Group.

I would respectfully suggest replacing BBB with the Tennessee Attorney General's Office (detailed contact info for TN AG can be found elsewhere in this very thread). The BBB is a powerless paper tiger with no legal authority whatsoever. BBB can do NOTHING productive or useful for you, so why even waste any time or effort bothering to complain to them?

Couldn't agree more with Ken1193. The best avenues are the Tennessee Board of Professional Responsibility and the Attorney General (Consumer Affairs Division) at https://www.tn.gov/commerce/topic/commerce-file-a-complaint.

Filing complaints will serve two purposes: to pressure Castle Law to refund your legal fees, and to pressure the regulatory agencies to shut them down.

ken1193 wrote:

richardj524 wrote:

3) File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau against Castle Law Group.

I would respectfully suggest replacing BBB with the Tennessee Attorney General's Office (detailed contact info for TN AG can be found elsewhere in this very thread). The BBB is a powerless paper tiger with no legal authority whatsoever. BBB can do NOTHING productive or useful for you, so why even waste any time or effort bothering to complain to them?

This message is for donp Don took your advice about a deed back.... SUCCESS! Took only 60 days and had no cost involved. We are done. Thank you!

I'm so glad to hear that. Did you contact the home resort yourself ? I want to encourage more people to try it on their own before they seek outside help. Thank you for posting your good news .

paulam381 wrote:

Don took your advice about a deed back.... SUCCESS! Took only 60 days and had no cost involved. We are done. Thank you!

Great! And I will echo Don P's comment. No one needs a law firm, PCC, charity, or so-called "exit" company to get rid of a timeshare. A little time and effort can go a long way, and save a lot of money.

I filed a complaint with the Board of Professional Responsibility & the BBB. I sent Castle a certified letter back in May requesting a refund. I've been getting endless excuses since then. Thanks for the advice.

valarieh16 wrote:

I filed a complaint with the Board of Professional Responsibility & the BBB. I sent Castle a certified letter back in May requesting a refund. I've been getting endless excuses since then. Thanks for the advice.

Complaining to the powerless "membership club" known as the BBB was a pointless (but harmless) waste of time and effort, but good job on filing the Board complaint. I hope that you have ALSO filed a formal complaint against Castle with the Tennessee Attorney General's office, complete contact info (and complaint instructions) for which can be easily found posted elsewhere in this very thread. The AG's office is where the real horsepower and strength resides, should they become sufficiently motivated to exercise their muscle.

I tried to use Castle Law to exit a TumeShare agreement with Wyndham. I was lead to understand I "might" get back some of my original down payment if Wyndham rep had lie to me.And I might get out of the contract in a year or so. Later I learned this would not happen for the $3k I paid. At the very first I felt Castle was dragging their feet in appointing a rep to my case. When I tried calling her I usually got another. When I finally made a trip to Nashville I was not directed to their Mt. Joulit office but a fancy corner office in the 12th (I think) floor. This was a fake rented space to impress ,e. It did not. All I was told amounted to "No comment". I knew I had been scammed again and left $3000 poorer. I would never do business with Castle nor recommend them to anyone.

Of course these legal lawyers are sure the wording is in their favor. When you ask to read the "fine print" they try to rush you into signing. Somewhere in the 40 or so pages you might find this, if you hired a lawyer to interpret it. Of course it it he said, she said when the client tries to tell his side of the story but the firm has already cashed your check. Bottom line, never trust anyone.