Manhattan Club Lawsuit

hi grante9,

thanks for your positive response and excellent additional ideas (escrow, etc.) you need computer "savviness" .......simply to receive and respond to emails. you have already demonstrated your computer facility by contributing to this forum.

"I'm an optimist" your quote...........GREAT; NEVER SAY NEVER. keep don quixote's "to-dream-the-impossible-dream" attitude in mind regarding this crappy TMC issue that we owners are stuck with. maybe we can claim a victory; we won't know if we don't try.

keep in touch.

chris

grante9 wrote:

chrisv126,

grante9, I'm an optimist (though not tremendously computer savvy, which looks like a need these days), and would connect myself and spouse to such an effort. We signed a mortgage agreement purchasing 1/52 use of a one bedroom unit in Oct 2002 every year and in Feb 2003 added 1/104 use of another similar room every other year. Every class action suit crossing my desk seems to benefit the attorneys way more than owners. It's understandable because paying a retainer was the proposal put on the table and some/many (don't know the count) accepted the proposal.

Another path might be to come together, create an escrow account managed by an owner executive team to advocate/arbitrate this situation for TMC owners. Wrongful death, failed medical procedures, proprietary disputes, etc. are often settled this way with a 60% client/40% attorney, to a 75% client, 25% attorney split basis. More thought/conversation needed, but continues the train of thought (14,000 to 18,000 owners is significant).

gescott3

chrisv126 wrote:

beckyf76, regardless of where we live, perhaps if we form our own COALITION OF FINANCIALLY DISTRESSED TMC OWNERS (COFDTMCO) as a real entity, we can all get together via email or even if via conference call. we can work on a strategy that can possibly be financially beneficial to all of us. it appears to be a total impossibility to get a list of all TMC owners from anyone who has it. if we can get this COALITION going, and get some media newspeople's' attention and "advertise " for us, we might be able to get a good portion of owners to join us. this could lead to getting the names and contact method to reach many owners (a list of most owners). so much of what's being said in this forum is GIVEBACK, GIVEBACK, GIVEBACK. we all gave mucho dineros, in payment for our weeks. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT MANY OF US (i truly am empathetic to those in such a big financial bind that it would be impossible to join us in my proposed coalition effort) CAN'T HOLD OUT GIVING AWAY OUR PURCHASE MONEY TO THOSE BASTARDS ONLY TO HAVE THEM RE-SELL IT AT A MEGA PROFIT...........AGAIN........

i fully realize this is a "don quixote dream" of mine, but he fought the windmill and won, and he made aldonza a real lady who he loved, and she finally loved him back. so, if this idea seems worthy of trying, perhaps you can join me as sancho panza, don Q's loyal friend, and work side by side in pulling this COALITION idea off.

if i can garner some agreement to move forward with this plan, please let me know in this forum. we can share strategies and incorporate ourselves into a viable opponent to the TMC management, past or present, who screwed us royally and left us BEGGING TO GIVE BACK OUR INVESTMENT. i would offer my email address IN THIS FORUM to have owners come forward with their contact information, and i would start our own owners' list........perhaps this could mushroom into others offering their email addresses to share the chore of getting more owner names and contact information. then we can reach, hopefully, most, owners to assist with details of our plan.

obtaining this list of owners and their contact information, has been an "unreachable goal". with the goal accomplished, we can then, perhaps with a more secure sense, get involved with an attorney who would use the list as a legally appropriate instrument in helping us owners to reach financial justice against the fraud, lies and shams handed to us by the TMC developers.

ok, this is a lengthy dissertation, but hopefully an eventually a fruitful one.

GET IN TOUCH.

chris

hi carola665, many thanks for your response to the idea of establishing a coalition of owners...COALITION OF FINANCIALLY DISTRESSED TMC OWNERS (COFDTMCO), our first step is to get as many owners as possible to respond to this possible remedy of opposition to GIVING AWAY our TMC purchase investment. that's just what TMC wants which is a very financially sound desire for them: here's the scenario: keep maintenance fees so high, that owners will GIVE UP THEIR SHARES FOR NEXT-TO-NOTHING. next, we put their GIVAWAYS BACK ON THE MARKET FOR SALE....................AGAIN...................WOW, GOOD THINKING ON THEIR PART..................A NO-BRAINER, IF WE....................................GIVE............................OUR INITIAL INVESTMENT AWAY without a good fight, then we give away our investment and run.................AND THEY TAKE OUR HARD-EARNED INVESTMENT MONEY AND RUN TO THE NEAREST BANK TO DEPOSIT IT INTO THEIR ACCOUNTS.

WE MUST GET THE NAMES AND CONTACT INFORMATION OF AS MANY (A MAJORITY, IF POSSIBLE) OWNERS AS WE CAN.

keep in touch

carola665 wrote:

I am interested in joining this lawsuit. This place is a real disappointment and got too expensive. Received my maintenance bill yesterday and it is double of what they said they would settle for in 2017. Please count me in Carol Fleres @carolannfleres@gmail.com

chrisv126 wrote:

beckyf76, regardless of where we live, perhaps if we form our own COALITION OF FINANCIALLY DISTRESSED TMC OWNERS (COFDTMCO) as a real entity, we can all get together via email or even if via conference call. we can work on a strategy that can possibly be financially beneficial to all of us. it appears to be a total impossibility to get a list of all TMC owners from anyone who has it. if we can get this COALITION going, and get some media newspeoples' attention and "advertise " for us, we might be able to get a good portion of owners to join us. this could lead to getting the names and contact method to reach many owners (a list of most owners). so much of what's being said in this forum is GIVEBACK, GIVEBACK, GIVEBACK. we all gave mucho dineros, in payment for our weeks. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT MANY OF US (i truly am empathetic to those in such a big financial bind that it would be impossible to join us in my proposed coalition effort) CAN'T HOLD OUT GIVING AWAY OUR PURCHASE MONEY TO THOSE BASTARDS ONLY TO HAVE THEM RE-SELL IT AT A MEGA PROFIT...........AGAIN........

i fully realize this is a "don quixote dream" of mine, but he fought the windmill and won, and he made aldonza a real lady who he loved, and she finally loved him back. so, if this idea seems worthy of trying, perhaps you can join me as sancho panza, don Q's loyal friend, and work side by side in pulling this COALITION idea off.

if i can garner some agreement to move forward with this plan, please let me know in this forum. we can share strategies and incorporate ourselves into a viable opponent to the TMC management, past or present, who screwed us royally and left us BEGGING TO GIVE BACK OUR INVESTMENT. i would offer my email address IN THIS FORUM to have owners come forward with their contact information, and i would start our own owners' list........perhaps this could mushroom into others offering their email addresses to share the chore of getting more owner names and contact information. then we can reach, hopefully, most, owners to assist with details of our plan.

obtaining this list of owners and their contact information, has been an "unreachable goal". with the goal accomplished, we can then, perhaps with a more secure sense, get involved with an attorney who would use the list as a legally appropriate instrument in helping us owners to reach financial justice against the fraud, lies and shams handed to us by the TMC developers.

ok, this is a lengthy dissertation, but hopefully an eventually a fruitful one.

GET IN TOUCH.

chris

hello carole487, yes, our finances are being hurt, some owners more than other owners, by the exorbitant TMC maintenance fees. i do not like the actuality of being robbed annually. that's the reason for my suggestion of establishing THE COALITION OF FINANCIALLY DISTRESSED TMC OWNERS. this entity could possibly afford owners access to a list of names and contact information of most/many owners. this information has never been made available to us owners; i believe that even the past new york state attorney general, eric schneiderman, couldn't obtain said list. (frankly, i don't believe he used all of the resources available to him. this so-called settlement was a pittance of what it should have been, so consider ourselves to still be victims of fraud and financially negative manipulation.) ................................................................................................ANYWAY,...........................................................................................

this COALITION could work if enough owners become involved. yes, we would all need to pitch in to collect names. this would involve our making our email addresses available for other owner responses with their names and contact information, i, e., names and/or email/phone info. a less likely alternative would be to use the redweek.com TMC forum thread to accomplish the collection of this information.

i need responses/feedback from as many owners as possible active in this forum, to get the process of forming this coalition underway. comments, addendums, suggestions, expertise and a desire NOT to be continually SCREWD BY TMC are obviously essential. our efforts could be funneled to various media, e.g., newspapers, tv news stations, et al. with "news tips" made by emails preferably, or phone contacts. THE CASE WAS "SETTLED" (LOL) BUT THE LEGAL ISSUES LINGER. i think that if over 10,000 owners made their voices heard via this COALITION, someone, somewhere will take active notice. we have nothing to lose by trying this strategy.

hope to hear from you and other owners soon.

thanks,

chris

carole487 wrote:

Hi Chris--I could be interested in this. I have paid dues through all of this, but can no longer keep this up.

Chris, Please provide us with your email address. Thanks

Chrisv126 I Am with you on this! There is strength in numbers and this coalition you’re suggesting may be just what we need to get something going. I refuse to simply hand my unit over to “them” without a fight. We have all been screwed over long enough. What can we do to get this started? Obviously we need to speak with each other or communicate via email. Any ideas?

AND YES, WE NEED AS MANY PEOPLE THAT AGREE AND FEEL THE WAY WE DO TO JOIN US IF THEY FEEL THEY WANT TO TACKLE THIS DAUNTING TASK. WE DESERVE TO BE TREATED FAIRLY AND JUSTLY. WE AREN’T ASKING FOR MORE THAN WHAT WE DESERVE.

chrisv126 wrote:

beckyf76, regardless of where we live, perhaps if we form our own COALITION OF FINANCIALLY DISTRESSED TMC OWNERS (COFDTMCO) as a real entity, we can all get together via email or even if via conference call. we can work on a strategy that can possibly be financially beneficial to all of us. it appears to be a total impossibility to get a list of all TMC owners from anyone who has it. if we can get this COALITION going, and get some media newspeoples' attention and "advertise " for us, we might be able to get a good portion of owners to join us. this could lead to getting the names and contact method to reach many owners (a list of most owners). so much of what's being said in this forum is GIVEBACK, GIVEBACK, GIVEBACK. we all gave mucho dineros, in payment for our weeks. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT MANY OF US (i truly am empathetic to those in such a big financial bind that it would be impossible to join us in my proposed coalition effort) CAN'T HOLD OUT GIVING AWAY OUR PURCHASE MONEY TO THOSE BASTARDS ONLY TO HAVE THEM RE-SELL IT AT A MEGA PROFIT...........AGAIN........

i fully realize this is a "don quixote dream" of mine, but he fought the windmill and won, and he made aldonza a real lady who he loved, and she finally loved him back. so, if this idea seems worthy of trying, perhaps you can join me as sancho panza, don Q's loyal friend, and work side by side in pulling this COALITION idea off.

if i can garner some agreement to move forward with this plan, please let me know in this forum. we can share strategies and incorporate ourselves into a viable opponent to the TMC management, past or present, who screwed us royally and left us BEGGING TO GIVE BACK OUR INVESTMENT. i would offer my email address IN THIS FORUM to have owners come forward with their contact information, and i would start our own owners' list........perhaps this could mushroom into others offering their email addresses to share the chore of getting more owner names and contact information. then we can reach, hopefully, most, owners to assist with details of our plan.

obtaining this list of owners and their contact information, has been an "unreachable goal". with the goal accomplished, we can then, perhaps with a more secure sense, get involved with an attorney who would use the list as a legally appropriate instrument in helping us owners to reach financial justice against the fraud, lies and shams handed to us by the TMC developers.

ok, this is a lengthy dissertation, but hopefully an eventually a fruitful one.

GET IN TOUCH.

chris

hello susanh1048, you got it..................cfox863@gmail.com.............

let's get this project moving quickly. if we do it right AND WITH THE COOPERATION OF AS MANY OF US AS POSSIBLE, we can pull this idea off. do what you think is best: send your name and email address or (less preferred) your phone number; offer amendments, additions, deletions, other methods...........whatever you think needs to be done to get us on a roll. certainly most of our ideas can be incorporated into a united and victorious whole. i don't consider myself to be an expert organizer, so the very creative ideas of all owners will be considered toward our winning end. we can all fight windmills and make others love us LIKE OUR FRIEND "DON QUIXOTE DE LaMancha" with lots of help from his sidekick, sancho panza..........others who will join us in unison to DREAM "THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM" of coming out of this mired financial mess smelling like flowers instead of stinkweeds.

keep in touch.

susanh1048 wrote:

Chris, Please provide us with your email address. Thanks

Has the Zimmerman Law Firm disclosed a plan for obtaining a list of all the owners? Are the non sponsored Board members not able to get a list of the owners? After all, they supposedly are overseeing the management of the Association on our behalf.

hello beckyf76

yes, si, oui, tak, ja.......and on and on............... we need everybody, like the three musketeers:(only more than three!!) all for one, one for all, to actively participate in this COALITION VENTURE. as you all probably guessed, i'm a fan of cervantes' DON QUIXOTE and of the musical adaptation of his book THE MAN OF LA MANCHA. there's much to learn from one man's quest.........THE QUEST, and of the rather childishly blind faith he had in himself. in the end, he was seen as a winner and a hero...enough of this...you all get my point. LET'S HAVE FAITH IN OURSELVES AND OUR IDEAS and get this owners' list on the way to becoming a reality. we need each other's faith, help and cooperation to pull this off for all of our benefits. my email is.................cfox863@gmail.com...... my hope is for many, many, more of us come forward to join us for the sake of getting us all UNSCREWED!!!!! if this collection of names becomes a viable and usable list, we then might present it to a selected attorney for further action......yet to be discussed and determined. FIRST THINGS FIRST. by the way, with this list and the geographical locations of owners revealed, we might even find a mutually convenient meeting place for us to get together to plan further winning and profitable strategies IN PERSON. i'm on long island, ny............hint hint!!! ha, we could meet in the 26 floor lounge...............for OLD TIME'S SAKE.....AFTER 12PM FOR THE FREE COFFEE AND COOKIES.

keep in touch.

chris

beckyf76 wrote:

Chrisv126 I Am with you on this! There is strength in numbers and this coalition you’re suggesting may be just what we need to get something going. I refuse to simply hand my unit over to “them” without a fight. We have all been screwed over long enough. What can we do to get this started? Obviously we need to speak with each other or communicate via email. Any ideas?

AND YES, WE NEED AS MANY PEOPLE THAT AGREE AND FEEL THE WAY WE DO TO JOIN US IF THEY FEEL THEY WANT TO TACKLE THIS DAUNTING TASK. WE DESERVE TO BE TREATED FAIRLY AND JUSTLY. WE AREN’T ASKING FOR MORE THAN WHAT WE DESERVE.

chrisv126 wrote:

beckyf76, regardless of where we live, perhaps if we form our own COALITION OF FINANCIALLY DISTRESSED TMC OWNERS (COFDTMCO) as a real entity, we can all get together via email or even if via conference call. we can work on a strategy that can possibly be financially beneficial to all of us. it appears to be a total impossibility to get a list of all TMC owners from anyone who has it. if we can get this COALITION going, and get some media newspeoples' attention and "advertise " for us, we might be able to get a good portion of owners to join us. this could lead to getting the names and contact method to reach many owners (a list of most owners). so much of what's being said in this forum is GIVEBACK, GIVEBACK, GIVEBACK. we all gave mucho dineros, in payment for our weeks. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT MANY OF US (i truly am empathetic to those in such a big financial bind that it would be impossible to join us in my proposed coalition effort) CAN'T HOLD OUT GIVING AWAY OUR PURCHASE MONEY TO THOSE BASTARDS ONLY TO HAVE THEM RE-SELL IT AT A MEGA PROFIT...........AGAIN........

i fully realize this is a "don quixote dream" of mine, but he fought the windmill and won, and he made aldonza a real lady who he loved, and she finally loved him back. so, if this idea seems worthy of trying, perhaps you can join me as sancho panza, don Q's loyal friend, and work side by side in pulling this COALITION idea off.

if i can garner some agreement to move forward with this plan, please let me know in this forum. we can share strategies and incorporate ourselves into a viable opponent to the TMC management, past or present, who screwed us royally and left us BEGGING TO GIVE BACK OUR INVESTMENT. i would offer my email address IN THIS FORUM to have owners come forward with their contact information, and i would start our own owners' list........perhaps this could mushroom into others offering their email addresses to share the chore of getting more owner names and contact information. then we can reach, hopefully, most, owners to assist with details of our plan.

obtaining this list of owners and their contact information, has been an "unreachable goal". with the goal accomplished, we can then, perhaps with a more secure sense, get involved with an attorney who would use the list as a legally appropriate instrument in helping us owners to reach financial justice against the fraud, lies and shams handed to us by the TMC developers.

ok, this is a lengthy dissertation, but hopefully an eventually a fruitful one.

GET IN TOUCH.

chris

hello tulipblossom, as far as i know, no list of owners is nor has been forthcoming either from zimmerman or the non- sponsored board members (who i believe to be mere puppets, voiced and mobilized by their masters, the SPONSORED BOARD MEMBERS and not " overseeing the management of the Association on our behalf.") in the past 4 years, i think i have seen one posting from one non-sponsored board member. i believe they are on the board for their own reasons and/or they are being silenced by the sponsored members........just food for thought.

i may be mistaken but i haven't been made aware of any list of owners that is available for all owners' perusal...............have you? perhaps zimmerman has a plan to obtain this owners's list, but if so, i haven't heard about it.

these are among the reasons for my suggestion of the formation of a COALITION for the purpose of developing such a list of owners. if a list becomes available, obviously the idea of a COALITION becomes moot, unless owners want to use if for purposes of communication personally with one another......A GOOD IDEA IN MY OPINION. the more we have the availability to speak with one another, the more vociferous we might become for correcting various complaints and issues, e.g., exorbitant maintenance fees prompting some owners into GIVING THEIR PROPERTY BACK TO TMC, only to have them re-sell it doubling their profit. not me!

keep in touch.

chris

tulipblossom wrote:

Has the Zimmerman Law Firm disclosed a plan for obtaining a list of all the owners? Are the non sponsored Board members not able to get a list of the owners? After all, they supposedly are overseeing the management of the Association on our behalf.

Remember Zimmerman, Esq has date in court for judge to rule on request from 1 board candidate to have access to list of TMC owners.

You can add my penthouse unit to your list. strawnkg@hotmail.com

hello drusillam2, thanks for the update. i hadn't heard about zimmerman's court date. exactly what date and time is this court appearance? i believe we should proceed with the idea of a COALITION as i described, and we should start work on it NOW. if the court doesn't rule in zimmerman's favor, owners will have yet to begin work of getting our own list in our own way. we don't know the date, unless you can provide it. if the date is not within a week, i think owners should get started with our COALITION plan (which i think should be done in any event). once that list is established, owners will have the option of communicating with other owners to share information and strategies for our benefit. even if zimmerman gets the list, sharing it will all owners will be a long time coming. let's proceed diligently with the COALITION PLAN and not put it off any longer.

keep in touch.

chris

drusillam2 wrote:

Remember Zimmerman, Esq has date in court for judge to rule on request from 1 board candidate to have access to list of TMC owners.

hello kens211 thanks for supporting your fellow screwed owners. i hope we can count on you to use your email to collect names and contact info of owners who wish to join us in our quest for consolidation of ideas leading to deserved victory and financial relief regarding exorbitant maintenance payments per TMC.

pls keep in touch. my email is.............cfox863@gmail.com

thanks.

chris

kens211 wrote:

You can add my penthouse unit to your list. strawnkg@hotmail.com

Chrisv126 I like your plan for COFDTMCO. I believe Zimmerman's date is Dec 12, if it doesn't get delayed by the court.

My email address is. beckyfitzmaurice@yahoo.com

hey beckyf176

thank you so much. welcome to the world of TMC OWNERS, aka, winning victors (i hope!) our infant COALITION is growing slowly, but more quickly than i expected. please, tell other TMC owners that you may know of, our plans to develop this list of owners, and the many advantages of having a lengthy list available very soon.

stay in touch.

chris

beckyf76 wrote:

My email address is. beckyfitzmaurice@yahoo.com

KEEP THE EMAIL ADDRESSES COMING!! I HAVE STARTED A LIST OF NAMES WHO HAVE ALREADY RESPONDED IN FAVOR OF JOINING THE COALITION. SO FAR WE HAVE 4 NAMES ON THE LIST JUST FROM THE LAST HOUR ALONE SO PLEASE KEEP RESPONDING!!! BE SURE TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND EMAIL ADDRESS AND I WILL CONTINUE TO UPDATE THE LIST. HERE ARE THE 4 NAMES THUS FAR: Chris Fox, Becky FitzMaurice, Carol Fleres, and Ken Strawn. IF I HAVE YOUR NAME INCORRECT PLEASE LET ME KNOW SO I CAN CORRECT IT ON THE LIST. THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US IN THIS FIGHT TO TAKE BACK WHAT IS OURS! AS THE SALES PITCH TOUTED.....OWN A PIECE OF MANHATTAN!

Chris, Thank you for this coalition proposal and for taking the lead in making it happen. I live in California and I want to join the Coalition. bronayne@csus.edu.

hello bettyl171, welcome aboard our COALITION VICTORY SHIP. i see owners getting revved up concerning our plan. it appears that many of us, so far, are willing to offer their efforts in behalf of all of our brother and sister owners. if this list comes together as we all think it will, it will serve us well in communicating with each other personally to plan strategies to conquer the enemies and to hopefully prevent further GIVEAWAYS of the ownership that we paid for with our hard-earned monies. one of the goals must be an effort to reduce maintenance fees substantially, again to help prevent GIVEAWAYS only to be resold by TMC AGAIN.

as briefly as possible, my suggestion for owners' consideration follows: the united states could be divided as such, e.g., northeast, southeast, mid-west, etc, the size of the division to be determined per the owners wishes. the next step would be to use redweek.com to get the message across that owners in the northeast contact one of our volunteers assigned to collect contact information from that part of the united states. that's my current thinking. if any owner reading this has a better way of building our list of owners, please come forward and offer other means to do this.

we need to do more thinking on this matter, but it seems that many of us are on the same page regarding positive outcomes of our plan.

my email address is................cfox863@gmail.com.

thanks again for your interest and hopefully your further efforts to help collect owners' contact info. ha, you could handle california and other far-western states.

more info as we develop this plan.

stay in touch.

chris

bettyl171 wrote:

Chris, Thank you for this coalition proposal and for taking the lead in making it happen. I live in California and I want to join the Coalition. bronayne@csus.edu.

Hello Betty,

I have started a list of names and email addresses so I will add you to the list. Can you please send me your last name? My email address is beckyfitzmaurice@yahoo.com.

This morning I received an email from an owner who wants to join our coalition. He emailed directly because he is unable to actually post on Redweek but he follows the blog. So as of this morning, we have 2 additional names to add to our growing list.

bettyl171 wrote:

Chris, Thank you for this coalition proposal and for taking the lead in making it happen. I live in California and I want to join the Coalition. bronayne@csus.edu.