Manhattan Club Lawsuit

Dear chrisv126, Do you have to respond individually to everyone who joins your coalition? You are adding a lot of pages to the forum unnecessarily. You have their email addresses now, just respond to them by email. Thanks.

Actually Nathan, Chris and I aren’t “offering “ anything to anyone. We just started our effort with a goal in mind to simply understand who our fellow owners are and determine if there is in fact something we can do as a group. We are not promising anything, or promoting a new direction to take in this mess. Never once did we say “we WILL reduce maintenance fees, we WILL change the reservation process, we WILL get some of your initial outlay of money returned to you. We may end up joining Mr. Zimmerman’s suit or we may end up hiring another attorney as a group. NOTHING IS DECIDED AT THIS POINT but I will say that Chris and I are brainstorming on ideas that may help our cause. If owners join our coalition they are NOT GIVING UP ANYTHING. They may end up in exactly the same place they’re in right now or we may be able to help make some changes that benefit owners AND NOT EICHNER, BLUEGREEN, OR ANYONE ELSE WHO CURRENTLY HOLD ALL YHE POWER.

hello nathanz2,

your comments, suggestions and admonitions are helpful and welcome in addition to being worthy of consideration. agreed that we will probably need legal representation in the long run. however, our idea of a COALITION is still in its infancy, and we're learning many lessons as we proceed. we have several ideas on how we will proceed once our list of owners' names and communication vehicles has grown substantially, which seems to be moving more rapidly than anticipated. the COALITION plan, to us currently, is the way to proceed, while not criticizing the initial legal path that you describe. perhaps the two methods will come together eventually. that's yet to be seen.

you're welcome to join the COALITION in the future should you change your mind about immediate legal proceedings. perhaps our differing ideas can be combined into a satisfactory end result: our mission (and i assume yours) , in a nutshell, is to have all owners return to financial wellness and stability via getting our maintenance fees substantially reduced and easing the process of owners getting desirable reservation time. (keep in mind, we are not limited only to these two goals). the elimination of further fraudulent action by TMC is another huge goal of our COALITION.

i wish ALL OF US OWNERS well in our common pursuit of fairness and becoming financially whole again, something we were all stripped of by TMC.

keep in touch.

chris volpe.................cfox863@gmail.com

nathanz2 wrote:

Craig, I agree. Chris, you have an enormous amount of energy. We owe you and others tremendous thanks for the kind of pressure you brought to get AG Schneiderman's attention, which led to the negotiations and settlement. As unsatisfactory as it may be, a settlement was reached and is in the process of being implemented. The MC developer is selling his remaining interest in the property and management contract to BlueGreeen.

However, this is 2018, not 2010 or even 2015. Out of 15,000 owners, there will always be a number every month that become dissatisfied or no longer wish to carry the cost. I'd be surprised if your numbers didn't rise. You haven't asked anyone to do anything or pay anything, so why wouldn't they? Unfortunately, public relations will not take the place of a legal argument in the courts where this must ultimately be decided. If you feel you were defrauded, you need to retain an attorney. I don't speak for the Attorney General, but it seems that office has already invested as much time as they ever will. They have other cases. And while you may focus on TMC admissions in the negotiations, the AG said that none of that would be admissible in a criminal proceeding. TMC management basically holds a get-out-of-jail-free card.

So organize all you want, but without a plan or a means to execute, I believe you are offering people faith healing instead of real medicine!

hello sharon177,

the answer to your question is a definite YES..........I MUST RESPOND TO EACH OWNER WHO WANTS TO JOIN.....THE....NOT MY.....COALITION. i have listed my email address...............cfox863@gmail.com...........prominently as has becky fitzmaurice. if i get positive requests to join in the efforts of THE COALITION in this redweek forum, i will answer appropriately. my preference is for owners to address my and becky's email addresses for this purpose. i cannot direct the way owners prefer to request joining our COALITION. by the way, i hope you will join us. respond to.................. cfox863@gmail.com....................... or to beckyfitzmaurice@yahoo.com. i hope this satisfies your request to not "adding a lot of pages to the forum unnecessarily." again, sharon, please consider joining our COALITION efforts via either email.

sharon177 wrote:

Dear chrisv126, Do you have to respond individually to everyone who joins your coalition? You are . You have their email addresses now, just respond to them by email. Thanks.

Chris, Let me re-phrase my post. I am requesting that you not respond on this forum to each owner who requests to join the coalition. They have provided their email address and you should respond to them by email. I get an email notification every time there is a new post and if (as you are hoping) there are 10,000 or more joining the coalition that would mean I would have 10,000 notifications that you have posted a response to their post. Not a chance of me joining the coalition as I prefer the Zimmerman lawsuit and don't think the efforts should be divided into multiple groups.

We would like all Forum users to be aware that by adding your email address to a public forum you may be opening yourself to spammers or scammers. We have had issues previously with scammers targeting Manhattan Club owners. You are able to edit any previous forum post to remove your email address or other contact information. We would recommend setting up a private Facebook page or other means to communicate, rather than exposing your contact information on a public website. Please visit this page for information on protecting yourself from phishing scams: Phishing Scam (https://www.redweek.com/resources/scams/phishing-scam)

hello again sharon, i will abide by your request as circumstances require. if i find it necessary to respond to owners interested in joining our COALITION via redweek.com, i will do so. as noted earlier, i and becky fitzmaurice prefer dealing with owners via our and their respective emails. the development of THE COALITION is certainly not to annoy owners, but to try to assist in forming ideas and goals to make us all financially sound again. using redweek as necessary may be an option we need to exercise. i think you'll agree with that assessment. forgive any annoyance that our effort has caused you. if you note anything on redweek.com that immediately displeases you, the option is to skip it. i respect your option of going with an attorney at this point. that's your choice, and i wish us both luck regardless of how we decide to reach our goals. by the way, joining a lawsuit now doesn't preclude your joining other fellow owners in THE COALITION. you're always welcome to join us in our common efforts and goals. be sure to add your email address in your request or make your request via my posted email.

thanks for re-phrasing your point. i expect my response is satisfactory. if owners use redweek to respond to our invitation to join the COALITION, and they include their emails, i will certainly reply directly via their emails. any inconvenience to you (or others in redweek) was not intended.

chris volpe............cfox863@gmail.com

sharon177 wrote:

Chris, Let me re-phrase my post. I am requesting that you not respond on this forum to each owner who requests to join the coalition. They have provided their email address and you should respond to them by email. I get an email notification every time there is a new post and if (as you are hoping) there are 10,000 or more joining the coalition that would mean I would have 10,000 notifications that you have posted a response to their post. Not a chance of me joining the coalition as I prefer the Zimmerman lawsuit and don't think the efforts should be divided into multiple groups.

I agree with sharon177. It's nice the owners might get together for so called Coalition which is targeting to reduce the membership fees. BUT other owners are looking for getting out from the TMC and refund their investment made into the fraudulent schema of the Manhattan Club. Therefore other owners are targeting different solutions that are not aligned with the solutions of the "Coalition".

To my observation as soon as BG opens the Sales center the market value of our timeshare interests will go up and the owners will be able to offer their interests on the second market at the reasonable prices.

Another Question: Why the BG has to buy our interests from the TMC? Owners might offer the BG to buy their interests directly from them and thus avoiding the Manhattan Club transactions where owners have to deedback interests for $0. In such cases the BG might save money on closing and new purchase cost.

sharon177 wrote:

Chris, Let me re-phrase my post. I am requesting that you not respond on this forum to each owner who requests to join the coalition. They have provided their email address and you should respond to them by email. I get an email notification every time there is a new post and if (as you are hoping) there are 10,000 or more joining the coalition that would mean I would have 10,000 notifications that you have posted a response to their post. Not a chance of me joining the coalition as I prefer the Zimmerman lawsuit and don't think the efforts should be divided into multiple groups.

Hello Sharon,

Thank you for your note on how to respond to this forum.

For those who missed it, if you reply to a message using the "Reply to this Message" button directly following that message, the forum reprints the entire message to which you are replying. If you reply to a topic using the "Reply to Topic" field at the end of the forum, only your new comments are added.

One of the main reasons this forum has grown to 238 pages is that some contributors keep replying to the message instead of replying to the topic. That doubles the length of the reply.

I think I have that right, Sharon! Anyway, we'll all find out when I post this!

Question-- If an owner is behind in his/her maintenance fees, will they be able to sell their ownership on the secondary market?

What secondary market?

any owner who wishes to join THE COALITION (COFDTMCO), please make your request via either of the following two email addresses:

chris volpe.................cfox863@gmail..............or.............becky fitzmaurice.............beckyfitzmaurice@yahoo.com

please include your name, address and phone number with your request to join, for contact purposes. this is also to determine your location should you prefer to assist us in gathering owners' 'contact information within your geographical region.

keep in mind that joining THE COALITION offers no promises (similar to how attorneys' outcomes cannot be guaranteed) of the results of your participation in our efforts of seeking to substantially reduce maintenance fees and to get owners greater access in getting the reservation time that they desire (thereby adding to the value of their TMC investment). we will use appropriate measures at our disposal to help us achieve our goals. the possible, eventual use of an attorney is not ruled out as we progress. how we proceed after gathering an optimum number of owner contacts remains to be seen. we will seek the suggestions and recommendations of owners regarding this matter. we believe that joining THE COALITION is a viable alternative to using an attorney at this time. however, connection with an attorney does not preclude joining THE COALITION. you pay for an attorney now, while joining us currently costs nothing except some of your time should you wish to offer it. while there is no fee to joining THE COALITION, our method of pursuing our goal may eventually lead to the necessity of using an attorney. only at that time would an appropriate fee be levied. that remains to be seen, and the choice to move forward remains yours.....pro bono for joining THE COALITION.

we're hoping for a majority of owners to join THE COALITION. there's nothing to lose. the possibility of beneficial outcomes shouldn't be ignored. we're prepared to see your email requests right now, and to respond to them asap.

yours in TMC owner unity through THE COALITION, becky fitzmaurice chris volpe

Hi Fibon,

Just to let you know, I too am hoping to get out of my TMC contract so I want to make sure that everyone understands that reducing fees and changing the reservation policy is not the only goal of the coalition. As support for the coalition has grown at a rapid rate both Chris and I understand that all owners in the coalition aren’t in it because of the fees or reservation issues. We simply want a united group of owners, who may have different objectives, to work as one strong voice to take back some of the power we have been stripped of. So please feel free to join us, or if not please understand that we have no illusion of being able to force any change but we at least can communicate amongst ourselves to throw around ideas. Who knows, this coalition could be the path to more owners joining the Zimmerman suit.

MY NAME IS HENRY DUNSTER, MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HDUNSTER@AOL.COM AND WOULD LIKE US TO DO SOMETHING AND GLAD TO BE A PART OF WHATEVER WE CAN ACHIEVE. REGARDS, HANK

There are many secondary markets. Many timeshares are sold using Redwek.com. I am constantly pestered by companies who want to "help me sell my timeshares." The question remains: Since some or all of TMC timeshare weeks are deeded, don't you need clear title to sell? If you owe money, I don't think you have clear title

hello henry,

hello henry, i'll reply to your request using your email, in a few minutes. check your email soon.

thanks

henryd30 wrote:

MY NAME IS HENRY DUNSTER, MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HDUNSTER@AOL.COM AND WOULD LIKE US TO DO SOMETHING AND GLAD TO BE A PART OF WHATEVER WE CAN ACHIEVE. REGARDS, HANK

(1) to use an attorney NOW or (2) to join the COALITION** OF FINANCIALLY DISTRESSED TMC OWNERS, our goals are the same: to eliminate the injustice that owners were left with after the ridiculous SETTLEMENT obtained by the former nys attorney general, a veritable joke.

(1) upfront costs now and no guarantees: have goals been stipulated or described? i think not, or if yes, then forgive my unawareness. in no way am i criticizing this legal effort nor owners who prefer to use this method to recoup losses caused by TMC/EICHNER. i'm merely contrasting the choices available.

(2) join the COALITION**with no immediate upfront fees. our stipulated goals are clearly stated and described, however, with no guarantees. our owner- contact base has been growing. as an optimum number of owner contacts becomes a reality, we assume that our arsenal of owners listed (and the ability to easily contact them) will benefit further action on our part. perhaps then, we'll need an attorney to proceed in achieving our stated goals and fees would obviously be anticipated. even with this advantage of a solid owner contact base, no guarantees of success are implied. (keep in mind that although the current attorney on this case is attempting to obtain a complete TMC owner list via court intervention, there are no guarantees that he will get this list). the COALITION'S owner list is being compiled with the permission of any owner who REQUESTS to be included; the privacy issue, as the excuse given by TMC for not relinquishing the owners' list, is MOOT. additionally, joining the COALITION in no way precludes subscribing to an attorney's service, a possibly favorable decision: two positive actions working toward similar goals.

owners are free to do both. we believe in the adage that THERE'S STRENGTH IN NUMBERS. perhaps we'll "luck-out" and get the request to join the COALITION from owners who might be attorneys or others who might have the appropriate background to assist the COALITION in achieving its goal..... good possibilities.

the COALITION leaves you with these thoughts: regardless of the path you choose, the hope is that any and all financial distress to owners caused by TMC will be reversed and remediated....via (among other issues) substantial reduction of maintenance fees and optimum desirable reservation availability........................ regardless of which (or both) options you choose. these possible outcomes MIGHT positively affect the value of our TMC share ownership and share market value sales potential, issues that remain to be realized.

if you wish to join the COALITION**, contact

cfox863@gmail.com or beckyfitzmaurice@yahoo.com

include your name, full address and phone number for future contact by the COALITION**

in owner unity and cooperation,

THE COALITION OF FINANCIALLY DISTRESSED TMC OWNERS

I do want to be a part of the coalition, but i can not put out the lawyers fee up front, what do we do?

Please send the following information to beckyfitzmaurice@yahoo.com and I will add your name to the coalition: Full Name, address, email address, and phone

hello debbieercv, reply to becky. there is no fee to join the COALITION, and at this time, association with an attorney is your choice, but not a necessity to join the COALITION.

debbieercv wrote:

I do want to be a part of the coalition, but i can not put out the lawyers fee up front, what do we do?