Manhattan Club Lawsuit

I completely agree with your post. There is NO WAY we can have any impact other than to STOP GIVING THEM OUR MONEY, and to keep active in the investigation. Why would anyone at this point willingly pay thousand of dollars and get nothing in return?? It has to stop. They are preying on people's fears about ruining good credit ratings. If your credit is good, then this AG case, with all of it's evidence in letters, investigation, etc. will stand up against wrecking your credit rating. That's my belief anyway.

sallyw109 wrote:

I disagree with "not paying your maintenance fees will accomplish nothing..." When we DO pay, they just take our time and rent it out - as a hotel. So how is that different from when we don't pay? We all know they have no problem renting our time out - that's why we can never use the time we're paying for. We will never "oust Eichners cronies from the board." We can't even use our own timeshares; how will we oust the board put in place by the billionaires who own the entire scam? Vote them out? Does anyone really believe they would allow that to happen? This is not a neighborhood HOA. It's a multi-billion dollar profit-making corporation. All decisions go to the benefit of the corporation - not the timeshare holders. We're not homeowners. We only own a little bit of time. And we can't even get that. We don't have the power or the finances to fight them. The only thing we have the power to do, is walk away.

I have stopped paying the maintenance fees, did not pay for 2014 nor do I plan to pay for 2015. I paid cash for my timeshare. I plan to see what happens with the AG's investigation which may take many months to come to its conclusion. If there is nothing gained for the timeshare owners then i am considering to give back my share with a Quick Claim Deed.

What is a quick claim deed?

A quitclaim deed is a type of deed that transfers an interest in real property, like a house, vacant land a timeshare or a mobile home. The person giving the property is the grantor. The person receiving the property is the grantee. Quitclaim deeds are sometimes referred to as quit claim or quick claim deeds.

We have been owners for 12 years and to begin with it was really easy to get a reservation. We have 7 separate nights, as we live in NJ we can go to the theater,opera,concert etc and stay the night, which is ideal. The problems in getting the night we wanted didn't start until about 2007-8 but by putting ourselves on the waiting list and ringing constantly we usually managed to get a night. In 2010,11,12 it got worse and we could not get a reservation hardly at all and could not use all our nights. What happened, did they oversell? Having looked at the budget for 2015, in which all the different phases of growth are described I would say YES as they have sold all the of the interests i.e. all 1/52 interests for every unit/room. This is despite the fact that they had all signed rental contracts with various organisations in fact they say in the budget report that "they will allocate approximately 1,000 fewer room nights to the Transient Income sector in 2015 which is projected to generate about $5,200,471 for 2014" So how many nights have the sold upfront? Also we have never seen any report of how much the total sales revenue for the units has been and how much profit the sales have generated. Does anyone have those figures?

jeff_reports wrote:

Hello, happy to answer all questions but not for posting in forum. I write about timeshare issues involving many companies but continually run into situations where owners are left high and dry by companies that sold them timeshares. I am an owner as well as a journalist and have been covering the Manhattan Club case for many months. My interest in talking to you is finding out how the club is operating today in the face of adversity, and what is actually happening with owners who are communicating with the club. I need to work with owners on matters like these because the club will not talk to me since I am NOT an owner. I can be reached at 310-275-4929 at your convenience.

I am also a dis-satisfied MC owner! I am done with the high maintenance fees and never any rooms available. We have been owners for 10 years and the fees have more than doubled! What do I need to do to join this class action suit or contact the AG? Please let me know.

The N.Y.A.G. represents New York state & it's citizens. I believe everyone else should be filing their complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. On their web site (FTC.Gov) the F.T.C. states their mission is to "Prevent business practices that are anticompetitive or deceptive to consumers". I think we should all send to the F.T.C. copies of the complaint that we originally sent to the N.Y.A.G. I am a resident of both NY state and Pa. and that is what I am doing. The F.T.C. should be made aware of the deception at the point of sale, (such as not telling us about the hotel using up all the available time) and the anticompetitive action at our attempts at resale, (that is their "right of 1st refusal" and their unwillingness to use their sales dep't to resell units in return for a sales commission).

The timeshare units have lost all value. It is impossible to sell them. The developers should be forced to take them back at the cost paid.

This is important to note: I ran for the board I think back in 2004 and got good support, but did not get on, back then, any owner could run, The next year it was change that to run for the board you had to be nominated the Nominated committee that run by Management and one other Owner I have sent in my Resumed 3 years straight after that and was turn down, as I was consider a trouble maker as Luct Apple founded the Yahoo group and I followed, I have always maintain that we as owners Owen over 50% of The Manhattan Club and should Control the Board, But Stuart Eichner told me He will always control the Board as he wrote the the NYC timeshare laws while he work in the DA office Howard H Beswick

for an interesting, informative and educational experience, GOOGLE IAN BRUCE EICHNER, principal developer of the fraudulent scam better known as THE MANHATTAN CLUB. it appears that he's fearless, callous and "ballsy" as a google entry indicates. he continues, even in the face of legal adversity, building his real estate empire. hopefully, someone uncovers his often-, to say the least, questionable real estate dealings.

josephp374 wrote:

The N.Y.A.G. represents New York state & it's citizens. I believe everyone else should be filing their complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. On their web site (FTC.Gov) the F.T.C. states their mission is to "Prevent business practices that are anticompetitive or deceptive to consumers". I think we should all send to the F.T.C. copies of the complaint that we originally sent to the N.Y.A.G. I am a resident of both NY state and Pa. and that is what I am doing. The F.T.C. should be made aware of the deception at the point of sale, (such as not telling us about the hotel using up all the available time) and the anticompetitive action at our attempts at resale, (that is their "right of 1st refusal" and their unwillingness to use their sales dep't to resell units in return for a sales commission).

i would hope that, with all the efforts of the NYS ATTORNEY GENERAL concerning his lawsuit against THE MANHATTAN CLUB, mr schneiderman will have notified and informed the FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION of the alleged fraud, scheming and scamming perpetrated by IAN BRUCE EICHNER AND CREW AS DEVELOPERS AND PRINCIPALS OF THE MANHATTAN CLUB. this would strengthen mr schneiderman's case against THE MANHATTAN CLUB in court and add to the legal woes of IAN BRUCE EICHNER. as it is, eichner has already dismissed civil attorneys and has retained a high profile criminal attorney to proceed in his behalf. INDEED, EICHNER IS RUNNING SCARED, BUT CONTINUES TO BUILD A REAL ESTATE EMPIRE FIGURING HE'S CURRENTLY FREE AND CLEAR OF ANY LEGAL PENALTIES. THAT IDEA SEEMS TO BE CHANGING RATHER RAPIDLY.

I agree wholeheartedly!

This is from TMC owner Howard Beswick: I ran for the board I think back in 2004 and got good support, but did not get on, back then, any owner could run, The next year it was changed that to run for the board you had to be nominated by the nominating committee that was run by management. One other owner and I sent in resumes 3 years straight after that and were turned down, as I was considered a trouble maker as Luct Apple founded the Yahoo group and I followed, I have always maintained that we as owners own over 50% of The Manhattan Club and should Control the Board, But Stuart Eichner told me he will always control the Board as he wrote the the NYC timeshare laws while he worked in the DA's office.

I know the 3 owners Board members: they were hand picked by Stuart Eichner, they are: Patricia Soltys (on board about 5 years James Dumphy ( on board over 10 years Robert Ballot ( on the board over 12 years once Stuart Eichner , Joshua Wirshba, Salvatore Reale, picks you for the Board, you are a board member for life, until you decide you no longer want to be a board member, Stuart Eichner,(developer and joshua Wirshba (general Manager) control the nominating Committee the board members can be found at; tmcny.com website Howard Beswick

This Board of criminals needs to be publicly outed. From Ian Eichner to Louise Church, his Director of Inventory.

The complete names of each currently serving Board member, their contact info, home addresses, along with everything we can dig up on each of them needs to be published. How have they been permitted to perpetrate these crimes against some probable 20,000+ innocent people for so long?!

These Board members need to be immediately exposed and publicly humiliated ... at the very least ... for stealing our finances for their gain. Who has access to a data base so that we can start exposing these individuals. I have heard from several members that the Jewish community is furious with Eichner for giving the community such a bad reputation.

I am a resident of Maryland (having moved from NY). can you please let me know where i can get a copy of the original complaint sent to the NY AG? i want to follow-up with anyone i can.

thank you

josephp374 wrote:

The N.Y.A.G. represents New York state & it's citizens. I believe everyone else should be filing their complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. On their web site (FTC.Gov) the F.T.C. states their mission is to "Prevent business practices that are anticompetitive or deceptive to consumers". I think we should all send to the F.T.C. copies of the complaint that we originally sent to the N.Y.A.G. I am a resident of both NY state and Pa. and that is what I am doing. The F.T.C. should be made aware of the deception at the point of sale, (such as not telling us about the hotel using up all the available time) and the anticompetitive action at our attempts at resale, (that is their "right of 1st refusal" and their unwillingness to use their sales dep't to resell units in return for a sales commission).

stephenh262 The timeshare units have lost all value. It is impossible to sell them. The developers should be forced to take them back at the cost paid.[/Q stephenh262, share your comment with the nys attorney general.

We know, even if forced, the developers are not going to take back the units. Since the units have lost their value and it is impossible to sell or even give them away, because of the ridiculous maintenance fees, I would like to know if anyone can tell me what what would happen if we all stopped payingour maintenance fees.

charlesm548 This Board of criminals needs to be publicly outed. From Ian Eichner to Louise Church, his Director of Inventory.

The complete names of each currently serving Board member, their contact info, home addresses, along with everything we can dig up on each of them needs to be published. How have they been permitted to perpetrate these crimes against some probable 20,000+ innocent people for so long?!

These Board members need to be immediately exposed and publicly humiliated ... at the very least ... for stealing our finances for their gain. Who has access to a data base so that we can start exposing these individuals. I have heard from several members that the Jewish community is furious with Eichner for giving the community such a bad reputation

charlesm............ i doubt that "public humiliation" will phase ian bruce eicher; he laughs at such trivia. he and his gang need to have their wallets and financial accounts emptied, the contents of which must be shared by those who suffered financial and usage losses under the eichners' regime, in our case, concerning THE MANHATTAN CLUB.

as for "the jewish community" being "furious", i fail to see the connection that you're assuming: eichner is not necessarily a jewish surname; we do not have any proof concerning that; if proof of this is established, then those involved have the right to be insulted or even furious; however, any national/religious group or individual could conceivably be criminal.

"How have they been permitted to perpetrate these crimes against some probable 20,000+ innocent people for so long?!" consider the lack of legal regulations and restrictions regarding THE MANHATTAN CLUB and any other scheming and fraudulent TIMESHARES that have been duping united states and foreign citizens for years without legal penalties due to lack of legal regulatory statutes. even if they (timeshares) are prosecuted, in most cases they change their names and move on to cheat more and more unsuspecting prospects. i will share an assumption here: i think the nys attorney general, eric schneiderman, has a data base of information to expose THE MANHATTAN CLUB principals........the group led by ian bruce eichner; hopefully he will use this data base as a means to punish these perpetrators and demand that they make adequate financial restitution to all those affected by their fraudulent activities.

I see that Eichner is selling his 4 story Miami penthouse for $50 million. Interesting.

pattyh59 wrote:

I see that Eichner is selling his 4 story Miami penthouse for $50 million. Interesting.

hi pattyh59. if eichner is indeed selling his miami penthouse, i'm claiming the first $100,000 as suitable restitution for any and all monies that i foolishly paid for the purchase and maintenance fees of THE MANHATTAN CLUB. i assume he'll use the balance+++ of the proceeds (after paying us owners off) to pay for his high-profile criminal attorney, court fees and monetary penalties, since he'll hopefully lose the case involving the NEW YORK STATE ATTORNEY VS THE MANHATTAN CLUB......oh, as an aside, and another assumption, doesn't the court have the right to send criminals and their accomplices to jail after paying restitution to people they've wronged financially?