point rental liquidators

jayjay wrote:

http://www.justanswer.com/consumer-protection-law/5g6a3-deals-contract-law-wife-purchased.html

susanc924 wrote:

To be accurate, I am speculating that PRL did not issue the refund because BJ said he had been "told" that the refund had been issued ....

All I know is what BJ Cooke said .... he said that $9000k+ was refunded to tina's parents' account on July 20, 2012.

If you want to argue about what BJ blatently stated then you need to take it up with him.

susanc924 wrote:

jayjay wrote:

http://www.justanswer.com/consumer-protection-law/5g6a3-deals-contract-law-wife-purchased.html

Jay Jay, This link didn't work unless your intent was that we post a new question on the justanswer site. Care to repost or do a copy/paste so we can know what your point was? Thanks!

RipOffReport:

"We were sold a timeshare in Texas and were promised money for renting our points through Point Rental Li quidators, but haven't recieced anything. No one returns our calls and now the mailbox of BJ's staff is full. Everything he told us was a lie and now all we have is a big bill. He gave us his cell # 815-970-0400 to reach him any time but all we get is his voicemail".

http://irec.idaho.gov/publcs/Consumer%20Advisory.pdf

http://www.vacation-times.org/1/category/point%20rental%20liquidators/1.html

susanc924 wrote:

Tina, I will be happy to give you copies of all the contact information for SHR, PRL and VSI that I have. I will be happy to give you copies of everything they gave us as I kept it all. Since I am already "out" on this forum, you can email me at soaplady@soaplady.net with your email address and I will send you the .pdfs. I have an analytical mind. And I am somewhat of an optimist about human nature. I was/am willing to give BJ the benefit of the doubt until/unless he actually breaks faith with me. To that point, I will say that I have yet to hear from him regarding my interest in his "no risk" offer. It may be, Jay Jay and Don, that YOU are right that he is not to be relied upon. BUT, you are definitely not correct that BJ = Susan. Best laugh I've had all day!

I thought you were seeking (in a previous post here in these forums) info from PRL and BJ Cooke, but you posted above that you had all types of pdfs concerning PRL. You also requested in this forum that BJ contact you with his contact info so that you could contact him.

I don't know what your relationship is with BJ (or that you ARE BJ or possibly his mother), but both you and he talk out of both sides of your mouth contradicting most everything you say .... your syntax is the same.

Susan, I'm sorry to hear of your illness but it has no bearing whatsoever on the subject of BJ Cooke, PRL and Sunset Harbor Resort. I see that you collect donations to keep your website going ..... interesting to say the least.

Tina, I will be happy to give you copies of all the contact information for SHR, PRL and VSI that I have. I will be happy to give you copies of everything they gave us as I kept it all. Since I am already "out" on this forum, you can email me at soaplady@soaplady.net with your email address and I will send you the .pdfs. ************************************ I thought you were seeking (in a previous post here in these forums) info from PRL and BJ Cooke, but you posted above that you had all types of pdfs concerning PRL. You also requested in this forum that BJ contact you with his contact info so that you could contact him.

JayJay, What I posted was an offer to Tina to have a copy of all the contract and contact information I got when approached by the SHR salesman Neil Young which got me into this forum in the first place. It was my hope that it might give her some numbers/addresses since she was finding her salespersons unreachable.

************************ I don't know what your relationship is with BJ (or that you ARE BJ or possibly his mother), but both you and he talk out of both sides of your mouth contradicting most everything you say .... your syntax is the same.

Let me make this clear: BJ called me after I rescinded the contracts with SHR, PRL, and VSI. He apologized that I had been given wrong information about him by Neil Young and offered participation in PRL free for one year WITHOUT purchase of anything through SHR. outside of this forum, that has been the only contact I have had with him. I did send him an email saying I would like to discuss the offer but, to date, have received no response from him. End of story as to my "relationship" with BJ.

jayjay wrote:

Susan, I'm sorry to hear of your illness but it has no bearing whatsoever on the subject of BJ Cooke, PRL and Sunset Harbor Resort. I see that you collect donations to keep your website going ..... interesting to say the least.

JayJay, You are absolutely correct that my illness has no bearing on Cooke etc. I offered that information in answer to your accusation that I was BJ Cooke - to help validate my identity. You must not be familiar with CaringBridge. This is an organization that allows anyone with a serious health challenge to set up a site to keep people posted on their health status (instead of trying to send out individual emails). It is a huge help. On EVERY CaringBridge site, there is a place that invites donations - not for the individual but for CaringBridge itself. We have made donations to CaringBridge as have a few of my relatives - we do not get any money FROM CaringBridge. CaringBridge is free for anyone to use. So your suggestion that I collect donations "to keep the website going" is off-base, wrong and little unkind. A minimal amount of research on CaringBridge on your part would have enlightened you before you cast that shadow on my character with your "Interesting to say the least..." remark.

Let's get one thing straight. Obviously BJ Cooke is attempting to use the redweek forums to advertise his scam for free. He should pay for advertising like any other reputable business. He advises people to rent their RCI points and scam RCI by claiming they are guests not renters. Just scroll back through his posts. If Susan wants to do business with a low life that conducts himself in that manner than she's not as intelligent as she states she is. I believe like Jayjay that she is either BJ himself or somehow connected to him. I don't care about any other claims about a persons personal life. I just want to prevent anyone from falling prey to scammers and I won't stop warning people. If they still want to part with their hard earned money after being warned then they get what they deserve.

This was a very informative portion from one of the commenters after her article on the high-pressure salesmen pushing timeshare deals:

Beware of an exploding offer (i.e. "accept the terms as I've stated them now or lose the opportunity forever") It is a hostile tactic designed to panic you into complying without looking at the fine print or thinking through the consequences. Instead, it should serve as your cue to walk away, because it's a huge red flag that the person on the other end doesn't care about your ultimate satisfaction with the arrangement.

Thanks, Susan. The "salesmen" that duped my parents must be different guys than your guys. The didn't try to sell VSI, they sold RCI. I have already been in contact with Sunset Harbor Resorts, Point Rental Liquidators, and RCI, but haven't had any luck so far getting the problem resolved. I emailed BJ at the email address he posted here, but didn't receive an emailed reply, although he posted again on here. I would love to know where he got his information about the refunds because I can't get that verified. I called Bank of America again this morning and the full balances are still due, they say. <sigh>

....... If Susan wants to do business with a low life that conducts himself in that manner than she's not as intelligent as she states she is.....

Don, I do not know that I have made any statement about being "intelligent" Where have I said that? I have, at least once, made the statement that I am NOT as knowledgeable as you and Jay Jay about timeshares.

About my willingness to entertain his offer: I rejected the original proposal from the SHR people which involved PRL and VSI and Cooke made a counter-offer that posed no risk to me involving PRL. I have been pretty persistent about making it clear to him that I am willing to discuss that offer both on this forum and in one email with no result. I am not a detractor of Mr. Cooke. Nor am I a champion of his. I consider myself neutral. You and Jay Jay do not share my perspective that entertaining Mr. Cooke's offer is a reasonable "test" of his trustworthiness. After being slammed on this forum, to satisfactorily "deliver" to one neutral party and two detractors would redeem his company's reputation on this forum. To fail to "deliver' would mean that he failed to redeem his company's reputation. In the interest of fairness to him, that strikes me as reasonable to pursue. To use the metaphor of a previous post: If Mr. Cooke gives you a $100 bill with no commitment on your part, you could go to the bank and check and see if it is counterfeit. If it is, you report back here. If it is not, you report back here. You are not "damaged" by taking the bill in your hand and checking it out at the bank. In fact, you have done a service to the forum by dealing with the fact of the bill's authenticity rather than an opinion that is not verified. In my email to Mr. Cooke (which remains unanswered), I told him that I would report back to this forum the results - positive or negative - of dealing with him. That is what I am doing. That is what I intend to do.

I can't understand how anyone would give this pond scum a chance after seeing everything posted in here and on the web. He has an " F " rating with the BBB and more victim statements than one can count. He advises people to scam the system by defrauding RCI and you still want to give him a chance ? Can you imagine the poor family that pays thousands of dollars to rent a timeshare and travel to the location only to be turned away because somebody used his scam and RCI cancelled the reservation when they found out they were not " guests ". How on earth could you possibly give this low life a chance ? Maybe you can understand why I question your position. I spent a career putting scammers and crooks in prison. That's where I believe BJ and his band of thieves belongs. Jayjay and I both remember when the timeshare business had a good reputation. We were able to get exchanges before RCI and other exchange companies started selling them on the open market depriving owners of those choices. I belong to the National Timeshare Owners Association and I am very active helping them fight fraud in the indsutry. I work closely with Ed Hastry the president to encourage people to join the organization and clean up this industry. I'm very passionate about making timeshare ownership a pleasant experience like it used to be and should be again. Don't let these scammers ruin what should be a good thing.

These scammers offer you something free to bait you in. Then they isolate you and feed you lies to gain your confidence. Once they set the hook they change the rules and get you to commit to something you didn't agree to like Tina's parents. It's a simple scam that people still to this day fall for thinking they trust them. Don't let them put their foot in the door and you will be safe. I can't believe people still fall for the Nigerian lottery scam but they do because they don't believe it's not " too good to be true ". Anyone with common sense should see through BJ's lies and shut the door immediately.

So if I'm suspicious of your posts maybe you can understand my position. I'm trying to stop the next victim from falling prey to them.

donp196 wrote:

I can't understand how anyone would give this pond scum a chance after seeing everything posted in here and on the web. He has an " F " rating with the BBB and more victim statements than one can count. He advises people to scam the system by defrauding RCI and you still want to give him a chance ? Can you imagine the poor family that pays thousands of dollars to rent a timeshare and travel to the location only to be turned away because somebody used his scam and RCI cancelled the reservation when they found out they were not " guests ". How on earth could you possibly give this low life a chance ? Maybe you can understand why I question your position. I spent a career putting scammers and crooks in prison. That's where I believe BJ and his band of thieves belongs. Jayjay and I both remember when the timeshare business had a good reputation. We were able to get exchanges before RCI and other exchange companies started selling them on the open market depriving owners of those choices. I belong to the National Timeshare Owners Association and I am very active helping them fight fraud in the indsutry. I work closely with Ed Hastry the president to encourage people to join the organization and clean up this industry. I'm very passionate about making timeshare ownership a pleasant experience like it used to be and should be again. Don't let these scammers ruin what should be a good thing. .......So if I'm suspicious of your posts maybe you can understand my position. I'm trying to stop the next victim from falling prey to them.

Don, I think I am starting to understand your position. When you use terms like "pond scum," "low life," and "Nigerian Lottery" without specifics, you lose me. But with this post, you've given me a little better sense of where you are coming from. The BBB thing is not a positive but also not a negative for me as the reasons cited for the F rating include the company not being in business long enough and the unsatisfactory handling of one complaint? But two of three were resolved? Can't remember.

It is the "defrauding" of RCI that interests me and the image of a family being turned away because their reservation was faulty. Please explain how RCI is being defrauded with this plan and how this could happen to a family. I have explained that I am very naive about how timeshares work - the only thing I have done is a) go to my home resort or b) deposited it and gone somewhere else. So I do not understand the RCI fraud comment and how a family could have a confirmed reservation and get turned away. Please use "baby words" with me. (grin)

Your reference to the exchange companies selling exchanges on the open market is the one reason I thought this was a new and creative approach - instead of me "banking" my week with RCI or II and them turning around and selling it on the open market and NOT making it available to other timeshare owners, I thought that THIS program allowed me to "bank" my week with PRL (in the currency of points) who also put it on the open market but gave me more of the profit from those rentals. That is how I understood it. I also understand about the "free" offer and the subsequent sales pressure. Truth be told, that is how we got into our first timeshare. We really have not regretted that decision so much as we feel like we got some good value for it. The second timeshare was less satisfactory as one of the "promises" was an appealing policy that was discontinued the January following our purchase. While we were not actually "lied" to, we were mislead in the sense that it was an existing policy subject to change. Perhaps after we get all this PRL stuff ironed out, you and/or Jay Jay could advise as to how we could manage our two timeshares to get the flexibility that was so attractive to us with the PRL program (doesn't look like I am going to be hearing from BJ). If I know about other options and learn to be more savvy about timeshares, I am not subject to be so "misled" as you seem to think I am. I just thought that PRL had discovered a "loophole" in how things work that benefit the timeshare owner rather than the exchange companies. So, yes, given your history and experience, I can understand how you might be suspicious of my posts. The "mistrust" was "misplaced" in this instance but I do understand. For both you and Jay Jay, it would really help someone who is NOT so knowledgeable like me to hear specifics rather than just name calling. I know these specifics are probably very obvious to you so you just jump to yelling "pond scum" but that is not so helpful for someone who does not know. Thanks.

Susan, the fact that you have asked BJ Cooke to get in touch with you and the fact that he has not should answer the question of his lack of integrity.

I honestly can't fathom why you continue to defend him.

susanc924 wrote:

Perhaps after we get all this PRL stuff ironed out, you and/or Jay Jay could advise as to how we could manage our two timeshares to get the flexibility that was so attractive to us with the PRL program (doesn't look like I am going to be hearing from BJ). If I know about other options and learn to be more savvy about timeshares, I am not subject to be so "misled" as you seem to think I am. I just thought that PRL had discovered a "loophole" in how things work that benefit the timeshare owner rather than the exchange companies.

Managing your timeshares is not how it used to be pre-2005 and before RCI started renting deposited weeks.

Now, one must deposit their timeshare or points many months in advance (some a year in advance depending on the supply and demand of the resort/timeframe they're wishing to exchange into and the demand of the resort/timeframe that you deposited).

You can purchase trip insurance in case your exchanges have to be cancelled due to your health issues.

It's really simple and the only way you'll get what you desire in an exchange.

susanc924 wrote:

It is the "defrauding" of RCI that interests me and the image of a family being turned away because their reservation was faulty. Please explain how RCI is being defrauded with this plan and how this could happen to a family. I have explained that I am very naive about how timeshares work - the only thing I have done is a) go to my home resort or b) deposited it and gone somewhere else. So I do not understand the RCI fraud comment and how a family could have a confirmed reservation and get turned away. Please use "baby words" with me. (grin)

Thanks.

When somebody deposits his unit with RCI (or II), it goes into RCI's "bank". When that person finds a suitable exchange he wants from RCI's bank of weeks, he can acquire use of that week for the exchange fee (about$190).

When somebody acquires a week in exchange, he can not rent it out. If he can't use it, he can pay for a guest certificate to let someone else he knows use it --- but he can't rent it out.

If he tries to rent it out, then when the person who paid the rent shows up at the resort ready to check in, that person will be denied use of that week. The owner will also have all his deposits confiscated and his membership suspended or terminated.

So the big concern that JJ and Don have raised is that it appears that PRL is renting out weeks acquired via exchange. If that is what is essentially happening, then the person who paid the rent will likely be turned away at the checkout. Hence, the concern.

Susan, If you are already a member of RCI Weeks, please call them at 1-800-338-7777 to ask them about your options to make your timeshare more flexible or usable. The only number I have for RCI Points is 1-317-805-8000. You could ask them about the Guest Certificates.

BJ stated in one of his earlier rants that using the " guest " scam was a way of " getting around " the system. His words not mine. Anyone proposing to circumvent the system is just asking for trouble. RCI is specific about using their exchanges. Like Lance stated it can lead to the renter being turned away and the owner having his membership terminated. Who on earth would even consider getting involved with someone that openly condones abusing the system they are trying to sell. I like Jayjay have to question your defense of an obvious scammer. Our only motive is to prevent people from being scammed. None of us profit from helping others. Susan if you are " honestly " looking to get a good deal on timeshare use there are hundreds of great values out there at this site and others that are available to everyone. Why would you still consider giving someone of BJ's reputation a chance ?

I love when people mensioned the BBB on these sites. You can generally tell people referencing it are probable fast food workers. Here's what I see, you got a guy with the worst profile pic I have ever seen calling a guy pond scum and worried about people renting their RCI weeks. There are obviously ways to do it. He mentions that there are ways with guest certificates to get it done. Those are $59.95 and secure the timeshare owner of no-liability of the stay, and secures the renter's reservation in their name. How does that not make sense? You stick up for RCI? They had a class action in 2009 over renting weeks that should be going in the exchange. Ever wonder why you can't exchange into hawaii but you can buy it from the rci website for $1350? They would rather  make the extra money. Enjoy all of the weeks in Spirit Lake, Iowa, French Lick, Indiana, and the assorted Silverleaf resorts. It didn't always used to be this way. I was a member of RCI from 1981-2004. I remember back when it worked. You would get what you want and then if no one took your week, RCI would call you and ask if you wanted to use it. This trading power points is the biggest Rci  scam yet. 4-5 new ways to be able to charge you... Now another that but RCI class action card went out in July 2012. Do you think RCI is awesome DonP? Well then your like a battered woman that continues to take the beatings because you don't think you can do any better. When Wyndham acquired RCI from Cendant in 2005 things went WAY downhill.  However DonP, even though RCI rents the desirable weeks that should be in the exchange, exchange fees have gone from $79USA/$99INT in 1995 to $194 in 2012, while adding a fee to book on the phone, have had 2 class action lawsuits against them in the the last 4 years, have been rapidly decreasing their indianapolis and new jersey call-centers to move calls to India for lower costs, and  have been adding new fees to their program yearly, THERE IS SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE.... READY???... They have an "A+" Rating with the BBB so they are awesome as far as you're concerned you goofball. :-) I enjoyed your rant on the "Pond Scum" that looks like he charges a one time fee to move people's weeks for income to offset dues and have some money left over. What a scamming jerk. Only RCI should be able to continuously screw people. I mean, good gosh they do have an "A+" bbb rating. So they got to be good. Hahaha

Good luck everybody

jefferyf7 wrote:

I love when people mensioned the BBB on these sites. You can generally tell people referencing it are probable fast food workers. Here's what I see, you got a guy with the worst profile pic I have ever seen calling a guy pond scum and worried about people renting their RCI weeks. There are obviously ways to do it. He mentions that there are ways with guest certificates to get it done. Those are $59.95 and secure the timeshare owner of no-liability of the stay, and secures the renter's reservation in their name. How does that not make sense? You stick up for RCI? They had a class action in 2009 over renting weeks that should be going in the exchange. Ever wonder why you can't exchange into hawaii but you can buy it from the rci website for $1350? They would rather  make the extra money. Enjoy all of the weeks in Spirit Lake, Iowa, French Lick, Indiana, and the assorted Silverleaf resorts. It didn't always used to be this way. I was a member of RCI from 1981-2004. I remember back when it worked. You would get what you want and then if no one took your week, RCI would call you and ask if you wanted to use it. This trading power points is the biggest Rci  scam yet. 4-5 new ways to be able to charge you... Now another that but RCI class action card went out in July 2012. Do you think RCI is awesome DonP? Well then your like a battered woman that continues to take the beatings because you don't think you can do any better. When Wyndham acquired RCI from Cendant in 2005 things went WAY downhill.  However DonP, even though RCI rents the desirable weeks that should be in the exchange, exchange fees have gone from $79USA/$99INT in 1995 to $194 in 2012, while adding a fee to book on the phone, have had 2 class action lawsuits against them in the the last 4 years, have been rapidly decreasing their indianapolis and new jersey call-centers to move calls to India for lower costs, and  have been adding new fees to their program yearly, THERE IS SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE.... READY???... They have an "A+" Rating with the BBB so they are awesome as far as you're concerned you goofball. :-) I enjoyed your rant on the "Pond Scum" that looks like he charges a one time fee to move people's weeks for income to offset dues and have some money left over. What a scamming jerk. Only RCI should be able to continuously screw people. I mean, good gosh they do have an "A+" bbb rating. So they got to be good. Hahaha

Good luck everybody

You're comparing apples to oranges. What RCI does or doesn't do is of NO consequence. They set the Rules and Regulations for members and renting an exchange, a deposited week or points is AGAINST their rules (that sentence has always been in their Rules and Regulations if you care to read them). If you don't like their rules then leave with your membership in hand. There are other exchange companies out there.